[saturno_v]

I'm getting a bit discouraged....there are basically no Trackhawks in the entire Pacific Northwest from the Canadian border all the way to almost the California border down in Oregon.

There are 2 in the Seattle area without the options I really want (no full leather package) and only one optioned the way I like that but the manager of the dealership is using it for a joy ride down to Palm Springs so is not even available.

I'm starting to get discouraged...why these things are not selling in one of the supposedly wealthiest areas in the country?? Is not because environmentalism, you see the big German irons everywhere (Cayenne Turbo, X5M, Mercedes AMG, etc...) same for the Dodge Hellcat duo...many around....

Has Jeep been a bit too ambitious with pricing?? I see many SRT (I own one) but no Trackhawk......

Basically what I'm asking is....is the Trackhawk a flop?? Should I reconsider buying one as resale values could be horrific??

Thank You!!

 

[Jimmy N.]

I very briefly thought about resale value before ordering one today. The reality is that we only live once, so screw the resale aspect, I thought.

In my search (before ordering) I found many '18s all over the place. Well, at least as far west as SoCal. The majority seemed to be back east. And there are quite a few '19s out there, too.

Are they a flop? As I recall, they made some 6,000 for '18, scaled it down to about 1,900 for '19, and who knows how many will be built on '20.
Either way, since I could get one for about the same money as many '18s are listed at, I saw no reason not to buy it.
Other than that I really shouldn't have bought another car...of any kind.

 

[ThawkMike]

If resale value is on your mind don’t buy any of the SUV you’ve mentioned above. They all lose 50-% over 3 years.
Hopefully your next concern isn’t gas mileage.


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[Jimmy N.]

Hopefully your next concern isn’t gas mileage.

I did notice today (here on the forum) that apparently the mileage isn't nearly as good as what I'm used to with my Challenger.
Oh well, I don't mind buying gas, but don't like doing it often, so a larger tank would be nice.

 

[saturno_v]

If resale value is on your mind don’t buy any of the SUV you’ve mentioned above. They all lose 50-% over 3 years.
Hopefully your next concern isn’t gas mileage.


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My wife daily drives a 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT and I do daily drive my 2019 Cadillac CTS-V so I'm not worried about gas mileage.
I was surprised actually how good the residual value is (if we can trust NADA and KBB) on the GC SRT.
My worry is that I cannot literally find a Trackhawk at a reasonable distance from me....and if it is a flop, the resale value may be way worse compared to the regular SRT.

 

[ThawkMike]

My wife daily drives a 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT and I do daily drive my 2019 Cadillac CTS-V so I'm not worried about gas mileage.

I was surprised actually how good the residual value is (if we can trust NADA and KBB) on the GC SRT.

My worry is that I cannot literally find a Trackhawk at a reasonable distance from me....and if it is a flop, the resale value may be way worse compared to the regular SRT.

The srt8 and TH are fairly close from what I can in terms of depreciation.

2018 ~15k mile units are both in the $20-$25k depreciation neighborhood today.

To give you an idea, I was offered $62k for my $94k TH with 34k miles last week, straight up not a trade but a purchase thru carmax. Is what it is,


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[Johnny]

I am in Coos Bay Oregon. When I was looking 6 weeks ago I found two in Oregon for sale is all. Both white.
While looking I Found a red one in LasVegas. I had to go to Denver to get my silver one. Mine was 99k new but bought used for 72k.

 

[30birdy99]

Just my .02, but there are way more for sale on the East coast. You will likely find a better deal since they have more competition and it is close to the end of the year. It will only cost you one month's truck payment to ship it coast to coast.

 

[Black Track]

Agreed with all the comments about depreciation, and balancing that with the feeling "you only live once." That's a life balance decision I make all the time.

I usually go with the "you only live once" and buy the fastest, most fun thing I can find.

Every exotic and high-end luxo car/SUV I've ever owned has depreciated like a mo-fo. It is what it is.

Most anyone who can afford to buy a 1 or 2 year old used super-expensive car can probably also find a way to buy one brand new...so why not just get the new one? That's what drives the used ones off of the huge depreciation cliff. I've owned probably 10 new cars that have lost big $$ over the past 20 years. No, I'm not a rich guy. But I put my hard earned $$ exactly where I want to enjoy it. Have fun, mash the loud pedal, and don't look back. I'm older than most of you here, so my priorities may be different than yours.

If we're worried about the current resale value of THs, just wait until the Demon version (hopefully) comes out. How many guys on here will immediately trade up? I will. That will dump a bunch of nicely cared for THs on the market...and off the cliff they will go.

It sucks, but what can we do about it?

 

[Black Track]

Adding to my above post, to clarify:

I am not a car dealer or speculator/flipper. I am just a regular guy who loves to change around the cars in my garage fairly regularly.

I have bought several low-mile, well cared-for, exotic and high-end luxo cars over the years. They are a great find, when you locate the best ones, preferably owned by an older guy with no teenage/20s kids in the house.

No multiple owners, or owned by anyone outside of a sunny weather state. That's a great start.

Their depreciation curve has already been hit hard at the top end, by the first buyer.
And, I can argue for that position all day long.

However, the mental picture I often get from a used 1 or 2 year old high-end car is of some guy or gal who had a two year lease, probably a company car, and thereby probably didn't have the extreme pride of ownership and care in driving (frequent detailing, no driving in the rain, no food in car) that many of us here have.

I have bought many brand new exotic and luxo cars. There's nothing like being the first owner of an awesome car. No one has defiled it yet, in any way. Seeing just two or three digits on the odometer as your climb into it is pretty cool.

Bottom line: I probably will continue to buy new AND buy 1 or 2 years old. I never lease a car, so that factor is out. It all comes down to the particular car I'm interested in, and the one sweet example that I happen to find.

Happy hunting to all.

 

[hawkku]

Adding to my above post, to clarify:

I am not a car dealer or speculator/flipper. I am just a regular guy who loves to change around the cars in my garage fairly regularly.

I have bought several low-mile, well cared-for, exotic and high-end luxo cars over the years. They are a great find, when you locate the best ones, preferably owned by an older guy with no teenage/20s kids in the house.

No multiple owners, or owned by anyone outside of a sunny weather state. That's a great start.

Their depreciation curve has already been hit hard at the top end, by the first buyer.
And, I can argue for that position all day long.

However, the mental picture I often get from a used 1 or 2 year old high-end car is of some guy or gal who had a two year lease, probably a company car, and thereby probably didn't have the extreme pride of ownership and care in driving (frequent detailing, no driving in the rain, no food in car) that many of us here have.

I have bought many brand new exotic and luxo cars. There's nothing like being the first owner of an awesome car. No one has defiled it yet, in any way. Seeing just two or three digits on the odometer as your climb into it is pretty cool.

Bottom line: I probably will continue to buy new AND buy 1 or 2 years old. I never lease a car, so that factor is out. It all comes down to the particular car I'm interested in, and the one sweet example that I happen to find.

Happy hunting to all.

Preach! A lot of the time (guilty) people get rid of cars because they start having problems as well . . . of course we wouldn't know that because the sellers wouldn't disclose any issues to ruin their chances of getting the vehicle out of their hands. For this reason alone, I will almost always consider a new car UNLESS I am utterly certain that the owner has meticulously cared for the car or is a friend of mine.

If the vehicle is not a car people buy to beat the **** out of and have fun in then I will absolutely buy used. To each their own!

 

[SEO_9C1]

Yes, it’s a complete failure.

You should definitely go buy something else...

 

[Jimmy N.]

A lot of the time (guilty) people get rid of cars because they start having problems as well . . . of course we wouldn't know that because the sellers wouldn't disclose any issues to ruin their chances of getting the vehicle out of their hands. For this reason alone, I will almost always consider a new car UNLESS I am utterly certain that the owner has meticulously cared for the car or is a friend of mine.

I passed on a couple of somewhat tempting ones when searching nationwide. One was being sold as used, with 25 miles on it.
That was a little odd in my mind, but the main reason I didn't even call about that car was because it was in Texas. No potential flood damage for me, thanks.

 

[Hawked]

Because they're terrible quality with no attention to detail. Also when anything goes wrong FCA will not help you. And if something goes wrong that could make it a lemon they actively block it.

I've had 6 rattles and have 2 more
My drivers door doesn't close properly
My transmission shifts extremely badly
My upshifter paddle downshifts
My rear bumper corner was sticking out due to a broken clip from the factory
My fender flare was falling off

It's spent over 30 business days in the shop.

FCA tells me to bring it back in.

FCA tells the dealer they can't repair it.

Rinse. Repeat.

Anyone who wants quality knows better. Anyone who gives them benefit of the doubt loses.

That's why they're not selling.

 

[Lil Hemi]

Because they're terrible quality with no attention to detail. Also when anything goes wrong FCA will not help you. And if something goes wrong that could make it a lemon they actively block it.

I've had 6 rattles and have 2 more
My drivers door doesn't close properly
My transmission shifts extremely badly
My upshifter paddle downshifts
My rear bumper corner was sticking out due to a broken clip from the factory
My fender flare was falling off

It's spent over 30 business days in the shop.

FCA tells me to bring it back in.

FCA tells the dealer they can't repair it.

Rinse. Repeat.

Anyone who wants quality knows better. Anyone who gives them benefit of the doubt loses.

That's why they're not selling.

These are true statements

 

[Johnny]

20k on my 2018...so far its perfect still.

 

[saturno_v]

Because they're terrible quality with no attention to detail. Also when anything goes wrong FCA will not help you. And if something goes wrong that could make it a lemon they actively block it.

I've had 6 rattles and have 2 more
My drivers door doesn't close properly
My transmission shifts extremely badly
My upshifter paddle downshifts
My rear bumper corner was sticking out due to a broken clip from the factory
My fender flare was falling off

It's spent over 30 business days in the shop.

FCA tells me to bring it back in.

FCA tells the dealer they can't repair it.

Rinse. Repeat.

Anyone who wants quality knows better. Anyone who gives them benefit of the doubt loses.

That's why they're not selling.

I had a disastrous experience with a Chrysler 300M in 2002 and I swore I woudl never buy a Chrysler product again....as i was a bit uneasy when we got our 2015 Grand Cherokee SRT...I have to admit it has been one of the best cars we ever owned....sure we had a couple of issues resolved within warranty, no hassles at all, and a handful or less of recalls/service bulletins (all of them were issues that did not impact in the least the car functionality, no emergencies) but the car has no rattle, interior look almost new (48K on the odo).
That is one more reason for me to look at the TH but there are literally none to buy (with the full leather package) within a 150 miles radius from Seattle....

P.S.

Actually a white 2019 TH optioned as I want popped up in Gresham Oregon...not crazy about the color but at least is an option at a reasonable driving distance from Seattle...

 

[saturno_v]

Yes, it’s a complete failure.

You should definitely go buy something else...

I get the sarcasm but there are literally no TH to buy (and it has been that way for months) in the PNW at the moment, to be precise none with the full leather package which I consider pretty much a must in a car costing that much. Conversely, there are quite few SRT in stock and the GC in general is extremely popular.
On the other side I can have my pick of any of the German big irons (M, AMG, etc..)
I suspect Jeep went too far with pricing for the brand and the huge discounts people seems to be getting on TH in other parts of the country seems to confirm that.

I may have to start working the phone and the computer and see if I can nail a killer deal and sell my SRT privately.

 

[Jimmy N.]

I get the sarcasm but there are literally no TH to buy (and it has been that way for months) in the PNW at the moment, to be precise none with the full leather package which I consider pretty much a must in a car costing that much.

Why does the car have to be within 150 miles?? Autotrader is full of Trackhawks, as you'll find if doing a nationwide search.

Do keep in mind that the cars arrived at the dealership on a car carrier, and can leave on one, too, to be delivered to you.

 

[saturno_v]

Why does the car have to be within 150 miles?? Autotrader is full of Trackhawks, as you'll find if doing a nationwide search.

Do keep in mind that the cars arrived at the dealership on a car carrier, and can leave on one, too, to be delivered to you.

I understand but this would be the first time I'm forced to buy "remotely"...and I may have to since I see no alternatives unless I choose a different model altogether.