Initial impressions of Borla S-type

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WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · May 10, 2019 (Edited)

Vehicle is stock, except for a Green filter...

As I fully expected, Borla delivered on sound quality and fit and finish. I've had various aftermarket exhausts on numerous vehicles over the past 30+ years and Borla, while expensive, has always been faithful to their "no drone" claim and the sound quality is as good as any, IMHO. Granted, I'm way past the days of "straight pipes" and trying to be the loudest kid on the block.

I have no sound clips, and they won't do most of us any good. The one Borla provides is quality, and better than anything i could post. Honestly, I think the stock exhaust sounds good for OEM. The Borla S-type just takes what is good about the stock sound and bumps it up _just enough_. Start up crackle is nice, and I now get a nice crackle/burble on downshifts (I run in Custom Mode with Trans setting in Track). WOT is loud, but in a good way... as it should be. It's not ear-piercing loud; just sounds good, like you're indeed going full throttle. Cruise is where Borla shines, too... if you were getting in a TH for the first time, and never jumped on it hard, you would think it is a great-sounding OEM exhaust. I know its there because I've had the vehicle for a year, but otherwise, it is not intrusive into the cabin _at all_. Part throttle acceleration provides a deeper tone than OEM, but at cruise rpm (1800-2300) it is very pleasant and no reverb noise in the cabin.

Good job Borla.

They don't have tips for these yet, so I reused the stockers. They stick out about an inch more than OEM. I like it. It looks aggressive.

Next up... lowering springs... probably in a few weeks.

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ROCKETW19

· #2 · May 10, 2019

I agree sound clips dont do anything they are never as good as in real life.
your write up is better IMO of coarse. Im not really one to change exhaust to make it sound better. I typically swap to headers and leave stock exhaust I want more power. but I think I am going to do this exact thing like you did. Did you install it or shop?

WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · #3 · May 10, 2019

I had a trusted shop do it. I've been in the area my entire life, and they have done a ton of work for me over the years.

Yeah, i'm not big into just changing it for the sound typically. But I had some $$ to spend, and I'm on the fence as to whether or not to mod this thing to a point of voiding the warranty. So this whets my appetite, at least for a bit. LOL

ROCKETW19

· #4 · May 10, 2019

LOL you will have the thing modified by next week now. The sickness is real and you just caught it.
honestly think about how long you had your TH nothing wrong with it correct? typically if something is going to go bad it goes bad fast. If not what will you loose by adding a pulley? SC warranty thats it. they can be rebuilt better for fair pricing or buy after market like Magnuson and never worry. I agree warranty is good but for electronics and computers etc. who cares if you burn a piston? Warranty for the 7 computers it takes to roll my window down. Thats just my opinions of coarse.
I think the key is dont go for ALL the HP and dont experiment with tuners use trusted guys that have proven them self's.

Daniel454

· #5 · May 10, 2019

Agreed...

I have had the Borla S installed a few months now and love it more and more each day...

You CAN adjust the various connections and get the tips to tuck back under to the factory position, I had them fully tucked at first but went back and moved them out to about where yours are.

I was very hesitant to pull the trigger on this setup, I had not ran Borla since the late 90s, having fell in love with the build and sound of CORSA on every FCA vehicle I have owned...

I HATE exhaust drone and the wife is very sensitive to it as well (migraines). CORSA has been perfect for us, loud at WOT, deep idle, as quiet (or quieter) everywhere in between.

But when CORSA decided not to build a TrackHawk specific setup, I decided to give Borla a shot again and am happy I did.

The Borla is quite a bit louder than CORSA would have been on partial throttle but it also has a deeper rumble / sound across the board all with no drone... I am very happy with the trade off and end result.

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ROCKETW19

· #6 · May 10, 2019

did you get Borla from Joe? thanks for write up also by the way.

WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · #7 · May 10, 2019

I purchased from Paul at PK Auto Design.

I tend to agree with you about mild mods. It _should_ be ok. I've run a number of OEM SC'd vehicles, and simple pulley/tune setups are extremely fun without getting into re-doing the entire fuel system, and stressing parts to the Nth degree. I think what has me concerned about this vehicle is the AWD and transfer case reliability. Obviously these HC engines have been around a long time and proven to be very durable with some mild/wild mods and quality tuning.

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Shadow9317

· #8 · May 10, 2019

WA 2 FST said:
Vehicle is stock, except for a Green filter...

As I fully expected, Borla delivered on sound quality and fit and finish. I've had various aftermarket exhausts on numerous vehicles over the past 30+ years and Borla, while expensive, has always been faithful to their "no drone" claim and the sound quality is as good as any, IMHO. Granted, I'm
way past the days of "straight pipes" and trying to be the loudest kid on the block.

I have no sound clips, and they won't do most of us any good. The one Borla provides is quality, and better than anything i could post. Honestly, I think the stock exhaust sounds good for OEM. The Borla S-type just takes what is good about the stock sound and bumps it up _just enough_. Start up crackle is nice, and I now get a nice crackle/burble on downshifts (I run in Custom Mode with Trans setting in Track). WOT is loud, but in a good way... as it should be. It's not ear-piercing loud; just sounds good, like you're indeed going full throttle. Cruise is where Borla shines, too... if you were getting in a TH for the first time, and never jumped on it hard, you would think it is a great-sounding OEM exhaust. I know its there because I've had the vehicle for a year, but otherwise, it is not intrusive into the cabin _at all_. Part throttle acceleration provides a deeper tone than OEM, but at cruise rpm (1800-2300) it is very pleasant and no reverb noise in the cabin.

Good job Borla.

They don't have tips for these yet, so I reused the stockers. They stick out about an inch more than OEM. I like it. It looks aggressive.

Next up... lowering springs... probably in a few weeks.

I just installed the Borla S Type about 2 weeks ago, sounds great, I love it. Now I’m just waiting to get my truck back from Demon Performance where they are installing the D3 package

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ROCKETW19

· #9 · May 10, 2019

WA 2 FST said:
I purchased from Paul at PK Auto Design.

I tend to agree with you about mild mods. It _should_ be ok. I've run a number of OEM SC'd vehicles, and simple pulley/tune setups are extremely fun without getting into re-doing the entire fuel system, and stressing parts to the Nth degree. I think what has me concerned about this vehicle is the AWD and transfer case reliability. Obviously these HC engines have been around a long time and proven to be very durable with some mild/wild mods and quality tuning.

TC has me worried also. I see a lot of guys with way more power then i have beating these things at the track with no issues. (one guy snapped his axle but had a 17" DR on a serious prepped track) his and many other are fine. I would def get the trans tuned if you do any mods. Made mine 100% better after getting trans tuned. Funny but I already looking for a place to rebuild the transfer case. no one I found does it and no one needed it that I have found so hoping thats good news?

WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · #10 · May 10, 2019

ROCKETW19 said:
TC has me worried also. I see a lot of guys with way more power then i have beating these things at the track with no issues. (one guy snapped his axle but had a 17" DR on a serious prepped track) his and many other are fine. I would def get the trans tuned if you do any mods. Made mine 100% better after getting trans tuned. Funny but I already looking for a place to rebuild the transfer case. no one I found does it and no one needed it that I have found so hoping thats good news?

Yes, I absolutely would have the trans tuned before any other mods were done. Honestly, I was thinking of using Mike at OST and just getting his Stage 1 (no pulley) performance engine tune and trans tune. He shows ~60rwhp gain almost across the rev range. Then maybe a pulley later. 180^ t-stat. Done. I've done enough modding in my life, I don't have to be cutting edge and 1st in line.

I'm running consistent 3.1-3.2 0-60. If I could get that into the 2.9 range, that would be cool. This vehicle is a 0-90mph machine... plenty of vehicles faster from a rolling start or over 100mph pull, so to me it is about optimizing/capitalizing on what it already does extremely well, and that is stoplight to stoplight digs.

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Blown7

· #11 · May 10, 2019

WA 2 FST said:
Vehicle is stock, except for a Green filter...

As I fully expected, Borla delivered on sound quality and fit and finish. I've had various aftermarket exhausts on numerous vehicles over the past 30+ years and Borla, while expensive, has always been faithful to their "no drone" claim and the sound quality is as good as any, IMHO. Granted, I'm way past the days of "straight pipes" and trying to be the loudest kid on the block.

I have no sound clips, and they won't do most of us any good. The one Borla provides is quality, and better than anything i could post. Honestly, I think the stock exhaust sounds good for OEM. The Borla S-type just takes what is good about the stock sound and bumps it up _just enough_. Start up crackle is nice, and I now get a nice crackle/burble on downshifts (I run in Custom Mode with Trans setting in Track). WOT is loud, but in a good way... as it should be. It's not ear-piercing loud; just sounds good, like you're indeed going full throttle. Cruise is where Borla shines, too... if you were getting in a TH for the first time, and never jumped on it hard, you would think it is a great-sounding OEM exhaust. I know its there because I've had the vehicle for a year, but otherwise, it is not intrusive into the cabin _at all_. Part throttle acceleration provides a deeper tone than OEM, but at cruise rpm (1800-2300) it is very pleasant and no reverb noise in the cabin.

Good job Borla.

They don't have tips for these yet, so I reused the stockers. They stick out about an inch more than OEM. I like it. It looks aggressive.

Next up... lowering springs... probably in a few weeks.

So I noticed you had a thread way back in Febuary about Cat Backs... what made you settle on the Borla even after that thread you hadn't made a decision???

Thanks

WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · #12 · May 10, 2019

Blown7 said:
So I noticed you had a thread way back in Febuary about Cat Backs... what made you settle on the Borla even after that thread you hadn't made a decision???

Thanks

This is going to sound very trivial, but I just got the mod bug and wanted to do something. My guess is that power gain is relatively inconsequential, although the Borla has much smoother bends than OEM. As far as Borla vs another brand, I've just had great experience with Borla, especially the "no drone" aspect of their systems.

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Daniel454

· #13 · May 10, 2019

WA 2 FST said:
This is going to sound very trivial, but I just got the mod bug and wanted to do something. My guess is that power gain is relatively inconsequential, although the Borla has much smoother bends than OEM. As far as Borla vs another brand, I've just had great experience with Borla, especially the "no drone" aspect of their systems.

Hah!!! Mine was likewise trivial... 90% of my decision to get a catback was because of that horrible crimp in the factory exhaust.... :grin2:

I started to just have that cut out but the other 10% of my reasoning was I wanted a little more growl at idle, so yeah...

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ROCKETW19

· #14 · May 10, 2019

WA 2 FST said:
Vehicle is stock, except for a Green filter...

As I fully expected, Borla delivered on sound quality and fit and finish. I've had various aftermarket exhausts on numerous vehicles over the past 30+ years and Borla, while expensive, has always been faithful to their "no drone" claim and the sound quality is as good as any, IMHO. Granted, I'm way past the days of "straight pipes" and trying to be the loudest kid on the block.

I have no sound clips, and they won't do most of us any good. The one Borla provides is quality, and better than anything i could post. Honestly, I think the stock exhaust sounds good for OEM. The Borla S-type just takes what is good about the stock sound and bumps it up _just enough_. Start up crackle is nice, and I now get a nice crackle/burble on downshifts (I run in Custom Mode with Trans setting in Track). WOT is loud, but in a good way... as it should be. It's not ear-piercing loud; just sounds good, like you're indeed going full throttle. Cruise is where Borla shines, too... if you were getting in a TH for the first time, and never jumped on it hard, you would think it is a great-sounding OEM exhaust. I know its there because I've had the vehicle for a year, but otherwise, it is not intrusive into the cabin _at all_. Part throttle acceleration provides a deeper tone than OEM, but at cruise rpm (1800-2300) it is very pleasant and no reverb noise in the cabin.

Good job Borla.

They don't have tips for these yet, so I reused the stockers. They stick out about an inch more than OEM. I like it. It looks aggressive.

Next up... lowering springs... probably in a few weeks.

Call Borla and tel them to cut you a check for sponsorship. Cuz of this write up I am going to get this exact system. Im kinda just wanting to spend $ also lol
could you put part number up please? I am gonna search the net for a system

Lil Hemi

· #15 · May 10, 2019

Search Borla and look for a post by billet. Think it was called Borla 3”
Should have all the part numbers

WA 2 FST

Discussion Starter · #16 · May 10, 2019

ROCKETW19 said:
Call Borla and tel them to cut you a check for sponsorship. Cuz of this write up I am going to get this exact system. Im kinda just wanting to spend $ also lol
could you put part number up please? I am gonna search the net for a system

https://www.borla.com/jeep-grand-cherokee-trackhawk-exhaust-systems/

S-type is part # 140755

If you want more aggressive, then the ATAK is great, I'm sure. But I know, intuitively, it would be too loud for me.

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adamkc

· #17 · May 13, 2019

Daniel454 said:
Agreed...

I have had the Borla S installed a few months now and love it more and more each day...

You CAN adjust the various connections and get the tips to tuck back under to the factory position, I had them fully tucked at first but went back and moved them out to about where yours are.

I was very hesitant to pull the trigger on this setup, I had not ran Borla since the late 90s, having fell in love with the build and sound of CORSA on every FCA vehicle I have owned...

I HATE exhaust drone and the wife is very sensitive to it as well (migraines). CORSA has been perfect for us, loud at WOT, deep idle, as quiet (or quieter) everywhere in between.

But when CORSA decided not to build a TrackHawk specific setup, I decided to give Borla a shot again and am happy I did.

The Borla is quite a bit louder than CORSA would have been on partial throttle but it also has a deeper rumble / sound across the board all with no drone... I am very happy with the trade off and end result.

So did you re-use the factory tips or did you use Borla’s black chrome tips?

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Daniel454

· #18 · May 13, 2019

adamkc said:
So did you re-use the factory tips or did you use Borla’s black chrome tips?

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Factory Tips, I have the tow package and Borla's tips wont work.

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adamkc

· #19 · May 13, 2019

Daniel454 said:
Factory Tips, I have the tow package and Borla's tips wont work.

Good to know, I have the tow package as well. Appreciate the feedback

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ROCKETW19

· #20 · May 13, 2019

Daniel454 said:
Factory Tips, I have the tow package and Borla's tips wont work.

ouch good info i was almost gonna go with the carbon fiber tips. I would of been pissed when they didnt fit, lol thanks

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