Track Hawk production

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Tankse87!

Discussion Starter · Aug 16, 2017

There's been so much inconsistent talk about how many 2018 Jeep Track Hawks will be made. I receieved an email from
Dan Reid FCA Manager – SRT, Powertrain and Engineering Communications and he states there is no limited production run. That contradicts what the dealerships habe been saying as well as the allocation race they created on the 10th. I've heard 5k, 6k, 2500...but no one really seems to know for sure. LOL Is it limited? If so, how many. Could it be, we have all been played to jump up and down to purchase. Im thankful I was able to get mine at msrp but I've ready so many comments of people paying 5k and more to secure one.

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JMS935

· #2 · Aug 16, 2017

The numbers I put in a prior posting came from a GM at a local dealership. When he told me it was a one year run with 5300 total being made, I questioned it since that was the first I heard that. I asked him where he got this info from, and he said his Jeep rep told him, he then proceeded to show me the text chain with him. It's quite apparent that even though this will be limited, there hasn't been a well advertised number for it like with the Demon (yet). So it'll either be limited by Jeep to a set number, or limited by simply how few of these they can sell. Previous SRT's haven't had a specific limited run to them like the Demon, but when you go back and look at their production numbers once they are known, they are still quite limited though.

I assume it'll be well publicized soon, as to if it's truly a limited production model or not. I can't imagine Jeep selling much more than 5k of these even if they allowed everyone that wanted one to buy one. I just don't think there is that kind of demand for this vehicle. So I think we'll end up with a very limited production vehicle either way. I did quite a bit of due diligence before I placed my order, and I only came across one dealer out of many that I talked to that had sold their allocation. Which is why I think it's limited either way you look at it.

That's just my two cents...

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707Jeep

· #3 · Aug 18, 2017

I agree that it will be limited mostly by the number of people who will actually step forward and buy one over the next 2 years. I do not think there will be a firm production cap as we saw with the Demon. Dealers have now learned their allocated spots for the rest of 2018, and from what I have learned and also seen on these message boards, there are dealers getting 1 additional model and some getting more than 5 (ones with lots of Jeep sales, Jeep SRT sales, and SRT sales in the past 12 months based on that 50/40/10 formula). There are nearly 2,500 FCA dealers in America, but clearly some will not sell any of these and others will sell quite a few. I also think that many folks who would have bought an SRT Jeep with the 6.4L Hemi will step up to TrackHawk. Since Jeep is not likely to change the Grand Cherokee till 2020, that means it is also highly likely that there will be 2019 Trackhawks produced. This vehicle has a huge profit margin for FCA, and I doubt they would cap production. After all, the companies that manufacture other high powered SUVs (BMW X5/X6 M models, Mercedes GLE 63 AMG, Porsche Cayenne Turbo S, Range Rover Sport SVR) do not limit their production. They all end up being quite rare anyway, since not many people buy high performance $90-125k midsize SUVs. In juxtaposition, I don't see them building so many that supply grossly outstrips demand.....it is unlikely you will see a dealer sitting with a few on the lot ever since they will control allocation based on sold units.

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JMS935

· #4 · Aug 18, 2017

I can't imagine any dealers stocking a Trackhawk as inventory for a vehicle like this, I suspect they'll all be built to customer's orders. I also think that the Trackhawk will for the most part cannibalize the 6.4 SRT8, or at least until it's no longer offered. If you wanted to buy a 6.4 SRT8 now is the time, as they're probably going to be getting discounted to move them. A Trackhawk at MSRP is a far better deal than a 6.4 SRT8 at MSRP (IMO), so Jeep is probably cannibalizing itself until they no longer offer or sell out of the Trackhawk.

jmg

· #5 · Nov 3, 2017

JMS935 said:
I can't imagine any dealers stocking a Trackhawk as inventory for a vehicle like this, I suspect they'll all be built to customer's orders. I also think that the Trackhawk will for the most part cannibalize the 6.4 SRT8, or at least until it's no longer offered. If you wanted to buy a 6.4 SRT8 now is the time, as they're probably going to be getting discounted to move them. A Trackhawk at MSRP is a far better deal than a 6.4 SRT8 at MSRP (IMO), so Jeep is probably cannibalizing itself until they no longer offer or sell out of the Trackhawk.

I don't know about that.. SRT is a stretch for a lot of people as it is, by the time I was finished with my track hawk it was over $100k. I can get a nicely equipped SRT GC in the mid $70s. That is a lot of truck at that price.
Same deal with corvette -- the grand sport and the z06 don't cannibalize the base -- lots of people are content with a $65k 'vette that gets 0-60 in the sub 4 second range, and have no interest in a $100k z06.

I think the SRT will be around for awhile and will still sell just as well as it has in the past. Crap, I just bought an SRT Durango for my wife, and had to get in line for it.. and was happy to pay invoice.

JMS935

· #6 · Nov 3, 2017

jmg said:
I don't know about that.. SRT is a stretch for a lot of people as it is, by the time I was finished with my track hawk it was over $100k. I can get a nicely equipped SRT GC in the mid $70s. That is a lot of truck at that price.
Same deal with corvette -- the grand sport and the z06 don't cannibalize the base -- lots of people are content with a $65k 'vette that gets 0-60 in the sub 4 second range, and have no interest in a $100k z06.

I think the SRT will be around for awhile and will still sell just as well as it has in the past. Crap, I just bought an SRT Durango for my wife, and had to get in line for it.. and was happy to pay invoice.

Maybe so, maybe there are some that just can’t stretch it into a Trackhawk, but for the nominal additional dollars it costs to get the Trackhawk - it is money very well spent. Maybe there are some that buy the GC SRT8 only for that reason, that they can’t afford a Trackhawk, but I think most will look right past it and buy the Trackhawk. I still firmly believe it’s going to cannibalize the SRT8 for the 2018 model year.

While my previous post referred to MSRP vs MSRP, it’s an even a better deal if you can get a Trackhawk under MSRP. I paid dealer invoice for my Trackhawk, my build came to $92,570 at MSRP, I only paid $87,761. So what’s a better value for the money? A Trackhawk at 88k or a GC STRT8 in the mid 70’s? Let’s try to dumb it down to price per horsepower. Let’s use 75k for the GC SRT8, at 475 hp it equates to $158 per horsepower. Now let’s use what I paid for mine, I’ll round up to 88k, at 707 hp it equates to $124.50 per hp. And keep in mind this does not even factor in all of the other much better and more expensive parts other than just the engine that the Trackhawk has over the GC SRT8. The GC SRT8 comes out to a 27% premium over the Trackhawk on a simple cost basis analysis per horsepower, and that’s also 27% more expensive in relative terms for a vehicle without anywhere near the exclusivity of the Trackhawk. So you’d be paying 27% more for a GC SRT8 vs the Trackhawk on a cost per horsepower basis when new, and that doesn’t even factor in that the GC SRT8 will also depreciate faster than the Trackhawk due to the Trackhawk’s exclusivity, which makes this gap wided even further post purchase. It simply doesn’t make much sense at all if you have the money to afford a Trackhawk, that anyone would prefer buying the GC SRT8. That is the very definition of cannibalism in the capital sense of the word.

I believe a year from now when the total production numbers have been released for the 2018 GC SRT8, that they’ll be way down from previous years. And if I’m right, the only reason for that would be Jeep cannibalizing itself with the Trackhawk. The price gap between these two models simply don’t accurately reflect the premium difference between these two models. We’ll see who’s right, but I’d put money on this if I could.

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jmg

· #7 · Nov 3, 2017 (Edited)

JMS935 said:
Maybe so, maybe there are some that just can’t stretch it into a Trackhawk, but for the nominal additional dollars it costs to get the Trackhawk .

We'll see... maybe you're just not in tune with the performance car market -- there's always a base, usually a mid, and typically a wild level of performance. Like I said, corvette has been doing it for years, and never once has anyone suggested z06 has cannibalized sales of the base. And they never hesitated to sell the grand sport because it may cost sales on the base. crap, in 2020, they'll even be an "insane" mid-engine vette that's expected to be $120k starting. even though that's only a "nominal" $20k difference from a z06, chevy is still going to do it. even if the trackhawck costs some sales of the base srt (and I think "cannibalize" is the wrong word you're groping for) why would jeep care.. still a sale for them.

Also -- by the time I was done, with tax, destination, add-ons, etc., my trackhawk cost me $105k. at most my srt was $80k, and I'm probably inflating that a bit from memory. $25k is not big deal to me, but it certainly isn't nominal to a lot of people-- that's practically a *third* of the price of an srt. I could very easily see someone who loves jeeps and speed who is of average means stepping into an srt, but not wanting to spend a "nominal" fee of $25k. if you really think $25k is "nominal" for most people... well, I can tell you, I deal with people of all different walks every day, and $25k for a lot of people isn't "nominal".

There's a car for everyone -- so just like people buy a base 'vette and are happy with it and don't see the worth in spending a "nominal" $30k extra for a z06, so too with jeep-- people who buy SRTs won't just be those who can't afford a trackhawk, but a lot that are genuinely happy with the SRT, and won't see the worth of a "nominal" $25k extra for a jeep.

And, if you *really* only paid $87k for the trackhawk, with all the options, taxes, delivery, destination, etc.,, you got a great deal, congrats.

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jmg

· #8 · Nov 3, 2017

Tankse87! said:
There's been so much inconsistent talk about how many 2018 Jeep Track Hawks will be made. I receieved an email from
Dan Reid FCA Manager – SRT, Powertrain and Engineering Communications and he states there is no limited production run. That contradicts what the dealerships habe been saying as well as the allocation race they created on the 10th. I've heard 5k, 6k, 2500...but no one really seems to know for sure. LOL Is it limited? If so, how many. Could it be, we have all been played to jump up and down to purchase. Im thankful I was able to get mine at msrp but I've ready so many comments of people paying 5k and more to secure one.

Yeah, I've heard the same thing. Road and track said limited to 2,500. keep in mind that for 2014, there were only about 5,000 jeep GC's sold in the U.S. .. So even if every person that bought a SRT bought a trackhawk, it would still be fairly low numbers.

JMS935

· #9 · Nov 3, 2017

jmg said:
We'll see... maybe you're just not in tune with the performance car market -- there's always a base, usually a mid, and typically a wild level of performance. Like I said, corvette has been doing it for years, and never once has anyone suggested z06 has cannibalized sales of the base. And they never hesitated to sell the grand sport because it may cost sales on the base. crap, in 2020, they'll even be an "insane" mid-engine vette that's expected to be $120k starting. even though that's only a "nominal" $20k difference from a z06, chevy is still going to do it. even if the trackhawck costs some sales of the base srt (and I think "cannibalize" is the wrong word you're groping for) why would jeep care.. still a sale for them.

Also -- by the time I was done, with tax, destination, add-ons, etc., my trackhawk cost me $105k. at most my srt was $80k, and I'm probably inflating that a bit from memory. $25k is not big deal to me, but it certainly isn't nominal to a lot of people-- that's practically a *third* of the price of an srt. I could very easily see someone who loves jeeps and speed who is of average means stepping into an srt, but not wanting to spend a "nominal" fee of $25k. if you really think $25k is "nominal" for most people... well, I can tell you, I deal with people of all different walks every day, and $25k for a lot of people isn't "nominal".

There's a car for everyone -- so just like people buy a base 'vette and are happy with it and don't see the worth in spending a "nominal" $30k extra for a z06, so too with jeep-- people who buy SRTs won't just be those who can't afford a trackhawk, but a lot that are genuinely happy with the SRT, and won't see the worth of a "nominal" $25k extra for a jeep.

I’m about as “in tune with the performance car market” as one can be, or at least I’d like to think so with a collection of sports cars in excess of 1MM. But hey, that’s what opinions are for, each person is entitled to their own, and it’s clear that ours are in stark contrast with each other.

We can look up final production numbers on the 2018 GC SRT8 a year from now to see who was right, that is if either one of us even remembers this a year from now.

jmg

· #10 · Nov 3, 2017

JMS935 said:
I’m about as “in tune with the performance car market” as one can be, or at least I’d like to think so with a collection of sports cars in excess of 1MM. But hey, that’s what opinions are for, each person is entitled to their own, and it’s clear that ours are in stark contrast with each other.

We can look up final production numbers on the 2018 GC SRT8 a year from now to see who was right, that is if either one of us even remembers this a year from now.

neither one of us will give a crap in a year.

I hear you on the collection-- I used to collect cars, got bored with that (and with constantly finding new facilities to park them). Now I just race them...sometimes I feel like I spend $1mm in tires a month.

The trackhawk for me is actually going to be my tow vehicle -- and also good for a few spins around watkins glenn in between vintage races...

JMS935

· #11 · Nov 3, 2017

Hey...We agree on the tow package at least! I got that too.

I haven’t gotten bored of collecting them, it’s just that I feel guilty putting miles on them because they have increased in value so much. Which actually has a lot to do with the need for having a daily driver like the Trackhawk, so I quench my need for speed without driving them as much.

jmg

· #12 · Nov 3, 2017

JMS935 said:
Hey...We agree on the tow package at least! I got that too.

I haven’t gotten bored of collecting them, it’s just that I feel guilty putting miles on them because they have increased in value so much. Which actually has a lot to do with the need for having a daily driver like the Trackhawk, so I quench my need for speed without driving them as much.

Yeah, I still keep my old big blocks and '67 330 gts on the lift and only trailer them to car shows. but my sbc c2's and late model z06's... those get run. If I break something, I fix it

jmg

· #13 · Nov 3, 2017

actually, I just read over at jeep garage that the 2019 or 2020 srts were going to be twin turbo v6's. So.. if THAT happens, I'll agree with you that srt sales will plummet.

JMS935

· #14 · Nov 3, 2017

First I’ve heard of that. Are there any estimated performance numbers for it?

jmg

· #15 · Nov 4, 2017

just wild speculation. check out the forum at jeepgarage.
Wouldn't shock me, FCA has to reduce corporate emissions

JeepersCreepers

· #16 · Nov 4, 2017

I thought FCA was just buying those emission credits from Tesla because of just how many Jeep eats up.

mtnhickorynut

· #17 · Aug 7, 2018

jmg said:
actually, I just read over at jeep garage that the 2019 or 2020 srts were going to be twin turbo v6's. So.. if THAT happens, I'll agree with you that srt sales will plummet.

Could be a good thing if they spread the Ferrari derived V6 engine. Reliability? Probably on par with current engine.

Black Track

· #18 · Aug 8, 2018

Me likey supercharged Hemi V8. I'm not a V6 guy...Ferrari or not.

Black Track

· #19 · Aug 8, 2018

BTW: Notice above that I did NOT say "flat six"...911 TT, etc. Have owned two of 'em. Great fun.

Damascusdave

· #20 · Nov 4, 2018

Correct

JMS935 said:
Maybe so, maybe there are some that just can’t stretch it into a Trackhawk, but for the nominal additional dollars it costs to get the Trackhawk - it is money very well spent. Maybe there are some that buy the GC SRT8 only for that reason, that they can’t afford a Trackhawk, but I think most will look right past it and buy the Trackhawk. I still firmly believe it’s going to cannibalize the SRT8 for the 2018 model year.

While my previous post referred to MSRP vs MSRP, it’s an even a better deal if you can get a Trackhawk under MSRP. I paid dealer invoice for my Trackhawk, my build came to $92,570 at MSRP, I only paid $87,761. So what’s a better value for the money? A Trackhawk at 88k or a GC STRT8 in the mid 70’s? Let’s try to dumb it down to price per horsepower. Let’s use 75k for the GC SRT8, at 475 hp it equates to $158 per horsepower. Now let’s use what I paid for mine, I’ll round up to 88k, at 707 hp it equates to $124.50 per hp. And keep in mind this does not even factor in all of the other much better and more expensive parts other than just the engine that the Trackhawk has over the GC SRT8. The GC SRT8 comes out to a 27% premium over the Trackhawk on a simple cost basis analysis per horsepower, and that’s also 27% more expensive in relative terms for a vehicle without anywhere near the exclusivity of the Trackhawk. So you’d be paying 27% more for a GC SRT8 vs the Trackhawk on a cost per horsepower basis when new, and that doesn’t even factor in that the GC SRT8 will also depreciate faster than the Trackhawk due to the Trackhawk’s exclusivity, which makes this gap wided even further post purchase. It simply doesn’t make much sense at all if you have the money to afford a Trackhawk, that anyone would prefer buying the GC SRT8. That is the very definition of cannibalism in the capital sense of the word.

I believe a year from now when the total production numbers have been released for the 2018 GC SRT8, that they’ll be way down from previous years. And if I’m right, the only reason for that would be Jeep cannibalizing itself with the Trackhawk. The price gap between these two models simply don’t accurately reflect the premium difference between these two models. We’ll see who’s right, but I’d put money on this if I could.

I was thinking that if I could not make a deal on this TH I would just order an SRT. In the end it would cost me more. Does an SRT8 have forged pistons?

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