[ThawkMike]

I can show you the interior of my GC SRT after 5 years and 50K miles....seats are perfect, no cracking, no sagging whatsoever, no squeaks and no rattle. To be honest I'm a bit worried about your experience, did FCA cheapened the material when they introduced the TH?? I hope not. The dashboard leather seems better to the touch and the Laguna leather seems really nice as well.

The Audi RS5 I test drove yesterday (100K MSRP) had rubberized plastic for the dash and upper door panels only slightly better than a 30K Dodge Charger.

Audi will charge you 3K extra for an Alcantara headliner on a $130K car, my 2015 GC SRT had the Alcantara headliner as standard equipment and it is still perfect.

Like I said this is all just opinion but the leather in any jeep that I have seen is just sub par. I can’t comment on an audi because the last one I owned was a 2005 S4, but I’d be hard pressed to say a jeep has a better interior over any hundred thousand dollar Audi today. I just don’t see it.
But I will admit the leather on the dash in my track hawk is very nice, probably because no one touches it on a daily basis… LOL

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[Medihummer]

No audi or bmw is a way better finish than jeep. No doubt there. But you pay for it..... and don’t get the same power!


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[saturno_v]

No audi or bmw is a way better finish than jeep. No doubt there.

I always hear this but I frankly so not see it with my GC SRT and the TH


Good example...I test drove this very RS5 over the weekend, 101K MSRP

My upper door panel and dash in my GC SRT are much nicer to look and touch, in the Audi are marginally better than the Charger (less grainly and a touch smoother)

The TH with the full leather package is on another planet, I do not think that can be debatable and the Laguna leather is much nicer too.

The headliner of that Audi is simple fabric similar to what you find on a 30K Charger.

Again, in my GC SRT so far I have no cracking and only moderate, perfectly justifiable wrinkling, on par with any German car with similar mileage (50K)

 

[Medihummer]

Ok maybe in usa you guys have another taste. But even the trackhawk has half plastic doors.


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[Medihummer]

That is the choice you make there is also a huge price difference. I do not believe in miracles... rather have a sporty car for 90k than a sporty car with nice interior for 150k..... quality of the usa cars have improved dramatically so the difference is much less than 10 years ago....


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[adamkc]

It’s a matter of opinion for sure, but I’ve owned a Trackhawk for nearly 2 1/2 years, and the leather is thin, will crack, and even wrinkle in spots, all of which are very common issues. Even my 2015 designo interior MB GL, which I also owned for 3 years, is light ahead of this interior, when speaking about the quality of material. The FCA leather really is a bargain basement product.

That said, I still absolutely love this truck. So not a big deal for me, but it is for some.


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I agree with most here - the TH is far superior in performance and let's face it, Jeep isn't known for their fit and finish. In fact, you'll see many on this forum that apparently had their made on a Monday and have had constant issues. Mine has been great and puts a smile on my face everyday as I have yet to be beat 0-60. That said, I knew going into this I wasn't looking for a richly defined interior, I was more into the performance and that's exactly what I got. If you're more into the fit and finish and a overall better end-product with respect to quality maybe a German car will fit your needs better.

 

[saturno_v]

But even the trackhawk has half plastic doors.


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No if you get the full leather package (5 grand)

 

[saturno_v]

Jeep isn't known for their fit and finish. In fact, you'll see many on this forum that apparently had their made on a Monday and have had constant issues.

That is another issue, assembly quality and I heard horror stories about it from some people. Thankfully my GC SRT has been flawless, only very minor issues, on balance, only slightly worse than your average BMW assembly (a German brand I know very well). Obviously nothing comparable to Lexus precision, but Lexus blows even the Germans out of the water in their assembly quality.

 

[Medihummer]

In europe we can only choose the outside colour, the leather seats or leather/fabric center parts and rear seats infotainment. All else is included

But still with full leather i have never seen a door completely in leather without any plastic visible. Also the leather is of another quality. But maybe they make other audi’s bmws and jeeps for a different continent with a different degree of refinement. I can only say i love American cars but you should not pick them for the inside... but mostly i look through the windshield so i do not really mind.


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[saturno_v]

In europe we can only choose the outside colour, the leather seats or leather/fabric center parts and rear seats infotainment. All else is included

But still with full leather i have never seen a door completely in leather without any plastic visible. Also the leather is of another quality. But maybe they make other audi’s bmws and jeeps for a different continent with a different degree of refinement. I can only say i love American cars but you should not pick them for the inside... but mostly i look through the windshield so i do not really mind.


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American cars interiors have improved tremendously in the last 10-15 years....some models are still not on par with comparable European automobiles but others are.
After my Chrysler 300M debacle in 2002 I said to myself that I was never going to buy another American car again and went the German and Japanese route....now me and my wife we both have American cars on our driveway and there are a lot of other stars and stripes cars to lust after. The Mustang was the most sold sports car in Germany last year if I recall correctly.

 

[jeepaug]

So...to sum it up:

GET THE TRACKHAWK. Mike drop.

 

[Spoolin]

The car is stock. with a ECU Tune. it's a Tune or "Tune" or in another vernacular "The car is stock with a tune"

I don't understand why both of your posts are insinuating that something i'm posting is false, untrue, or that i'm leaving facts out.

A friend of mine has an X3M. It's stock with a tune. It went 10.80 at 127mph on a Dragy which i posted.

It is more than just a "tune" on the X3M. It also involves increased boost, most likely to the tune of 10 psi and 150 extra whp. Something that can not be done with a supercharged TH with just a "tune". When you say tune only with the TH, it means just that, the tune is optimized for that engine and no increase in boost. So you are looking at around 60 extra whp. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Now, add a pulley to up the boost by 5psi and tune the TH and add 5 psi to the turbos on X3M and tune it and that would be an apples to apples comparison. So, back to stock on stock comparison we go really.

Just my 2 cents....

 

[jeepaug]

Seriously though - TH and X3M comp - as others have stated SRT is a better comparison. Also the X3M is a smaller. I prefer the Jeep looks, grunt, and pure dominating presence. X3M comp is no slouch, but it really comes down to preference. It's REALLY hard not to like..er..love..the Trackhawk.

 

[robininni]

So...to sum it up:

GET THE TRACKHAWK. Mike drop.

Actually, going with the X3Mc! I can get a superb deal on a 2020 fresh out of the factory (16% off MSRP). I like the trackhawk a lot, but not without super heavy discounts and the plethora of 2018s left over that I was hoping to achieve this with aren't discounted enough for me based on my investigations for new ones and the other half are demos (no thanks). Also, some of the ones I would maybe be interested in haggling and paying a little more for have red seat belts!! I can't do that...

Maybe sometime in the future I'll own one. Since performance is very similar, one of the biggest attractions for me is I could get the Jeep serviced in my little town instead of driving an hour+ to the 'big' city like I will have to do with the BMW. But overall, paying $10-15k less for a 2020 BMW X3Mc over a 2018 Trackhawk is most important to me.

I loved my 2008 SRT8 until it started having weird electrical problems and just cutting off power in the middle of driving. Couldn't seem to get that reliably fixed. I feel likethe BMW will have the edge on the Trackhawk reliability wise but I'm not positive about that. Supposedly BMW knows how to do inline 6s really well.

 

[Rez90]

It is more than just a "tune" on the X3M. It also involves increased boost, most likely to the tune of 10 psi and 150 extra whp. Something that can not be done with a supercharged TH with just a "tune". When you say tune only with the TH, it means just that, the tune is optimized for that engine and no increase in boost. So you are looking at around 60 extra whp. It isn't an apples to apples comparison.

Now, add a pulley to up the boost by 5psi and tune the TH and add 5 psi to the turbos on X3M and tune it and that would be an apples to apples comparison. So, back to stock on stock comparison we go really.

Just my 2 cents....

Any vehicle that has all stock parts other than an ECU tune is considered a tune. Of course Turbocharged, supercharged, and NA applications are going to encompass different factors when getting tuned. turbo cars can control boost and gain much more than NA cars from a tune only. This is common sense. This is standard. To argue a tune isn't really a "Tune" or say we're not comparing apples to apples or say "That's not fair because he has turbos and i have a supercharger that i can't control boost on" is some childish thinking.

Turbo cars pick up more from a stock car with a tune only. there is no arguing that. but just because an X3M picks up 150whp from a tune only because of it's layout and architecture compared to a Trackhawk picking up 60whp isn't reason to discount the fact that they both got on a dyno in 100% stock form and they both were modded with a Tune.

 

[7378]

Finally figured out how to respond in here.

I am shopping too. Took the x3m competition for a test drive and the x760i. While both, fun and/or luxurious, it isn't going to compete with Trackhawk.

What I learned, M5 Competition. That's the one right there! If you're looking to BMW for your "Trackhawk baby", don't do the x5m or the x3m competition suv style! It will not compete against the Trackhawk.

Take a look at the M5 competition

 

[adamkc]

Finally figured out how to respond in here.

I am shopping too. Took the x3m competition for a test drive and the x760i. While both, fun and/or luxurious, it isn't going to compete with Trackhawk.

What I learned, M5 Competition. That's the one right there! If you're looking to BMW for your "Trackhawk baby", don't do the x5m or the x3m competition suv style! It will not compete against the Trackhawk.

Take a look at the M5 competition

Uhmmm....you are comparing an SUV to a sedan. If you aren't in the market for an SUV there are several sports cars that will compete but most on this forum are TH lovers because we wanted an SUV with the power that the TH delivers. No other SUV is comparable, IMO, other than paying over twice as much for a Urus.

 

[ThawkMike]

It remains to be seen, but I think this new X5/6 M might give the TH a run for the money.

The M5 is ridiculously unrated for HP and this new truck uses the same engine.

We’ll see in a month or two when it hits showrooms.


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